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Antirender: remove the glossy shine on architectural renderings (antirender.com)
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I ran it on the "society if..." meme lol

https://imgur.com/a/nFQN5tx


For those like me not up on the hip memes: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-world-if

This is just Moscow

As someone in the UK, this was especially chilling.

Looks like Machinarium. I like it.

What a beautiful and nostalgic game that was. I’ve never had a game hit me like that since!

I played it with my wife on the couch over many winters evenings, and then ten years later played it with my daughter. Good times. Reminded me of playing Sierra games as a kid.

I really enjoyed "Samorost 3" by the same developers. Machinarium still takes the cake though.

Yeah, it's really a masterpiece. It's utterly fantastic.

Does anyone have a mirror? I’m in authoritarian UK so the link is blocked

The rimigo proxy works for me: https://rimgo.vern.cc/a/nFQN5tx

If you're in the UK in January, you can probably just look outside and that's approximately it.

I wish the UK looked this good.

Ugh, this looks way too real...

Top of HN and people are loving it, but there's got to be a better way of getting some $$ rewards for fun viral ideas like this than "Buy me a coffee". I'm betting he's got tens of thousands of sessions currently and nobody is tipping. https://ko-fi.com/magnushambleton

Is there a better way? Asking for myself, also.


This will be an unpopular answer but one way that could have worked is just good ol' advertising, because it directly converts "virality" into income.

Any solution that requires the user to bust out a credit card and put down his billing address has way too much friction for the median user to get through.


Unfortunately true.

Ideally the model would be run locally in the browser, so the author isn't paying whatever they're paying. But the web standards to do complicated stuff locally aren't there yet and probably will never be.

That's not a practical answer but it's my two cents.


I wish I could give him two cents without having to try. HTTP status 402 with micropayments or something needs to become a thing. The platforms do it... (subs, tips, donations, rewards etc etc.) Why can't the web.

All you need is WASM surely? I expect this model is too big to download & run on local CPUs though.

My view may be as realistic as these architectural drawings but I've long thought that some sort of micro payment system would address a lot of problems, many more significant than tipping software developers.

Thanks for the highlight. Doesn't seem like there's much activity on his Ko-Fi for being on the front page of HN. I sent him a tip, although privately.

It should be tasteful ads for the AI companies that are making money... Oh wait, I instantly see the problem with that idea.

Wow, someone finally made Poland-filter. It all looks exactly like I'm used to.

Pretty much any place with brutalist architecture, really. I'll happily take pretty much any revival or classical style over "modern" or brutalist style.

There's nothing more depressing than walking by beautiful historic old buildings only to turn a corner and see a monstrosity of concrete and glass somehow reaching the epitome of bland and uninviting.


Apart from some lucky places, most of the world cities looks like this or worse.

Singapore does actually look like the renders. By and large.

Especially in autumn and winter.

That’s the Joke!

Before the dystopian black and gray fad arrived most buildings that went up were sort of OK. And I didn't mind the pastel paint on commie blocks either. But a decade ago someone decided that gray cuboids with asymmetric windows were an improvement...

Even so, I think North American cities are on average uglier than most Polish ones. Overall we're not doing so bad but I want the Slavic city memes to continue lest we get Prague or Amsterdam level tourist invasion.


POST https://fjtwtlaryvoqohkwnbwd.supabase.co/functions/v1/transf... 402 (Payment Required)

Function error: FunctionsHttpError: Edge Function returned a non-2xx status code

:(


This is ingenious and actually useful. I'm looking for a new apartment and I always wanted to know how do these places look in a bad weather, because that's when I need beautiful surroundings the most.

Unfortunately, it doesn't actually tell you that information: it just turns a dial. What you want is to know how much that dial would be turned by bad weather.

As long as it's not changing the form of the buildings, it seems valid. Although, the first two examples both add random telecom cabinets in places that don't make much sense.

I figure that’s an architectural in-joke. The engineers will add ugly stuff because you didn’t consider stuff like HVAC or electricity.

It's infinitely better than nothing.

Fortunately, you have one of the world's most powerful supercomputers sitting between your ears, so we don't need to compare this to nothing.

It's like a dream come true!

I've been thinking of something like this for decades, as I mentally compared the utopian displays at construction sites to the existing buildings next to them. Like "wow your fancy new building is going to be so perfectly white and clean, but what will it really look like after 10 years exposed to the elements and no cleaning, like the one next door?"

New construction is sold on a literal blue-sky promise. How does it really look like a decade down the road? All construction has a decades- if not centuries-long lifespan. It's worth thinking about them long-term.

I absolutely love the streak of rust coming off the saddle of arches on the bridge example. That's exactly what I'm talking about.


This filter seems to also change some architectural details and features, as well as degrade the quality of some materials in an unrealistic way.

That's the 'built by the lowest bidder' feature. Probably pretty realistic in a lot of places.

Huh, I wonder if they trained it by feeding it architectural renders and "what actually got built" photos...

It's probably just prompt based. Actual fine-tuning for these kind of use cases is getting less common than it used to be.

It's not a filter, it's an image editing model

This drink is not a smoothie, it is a blend of fruits and berries.

In my mind "filter" is some specific algorithm that does a single expected transformation

"Filter" is a Tik-tok / snapchat / instagram parlance for any kind of overlay / transformation. It's grown larger than just sepia filters and similar. All the ones that do facial tracking and overlay a mustache or w/e is funny in the moment are also referred to as filters.

See https://www.snapchat.com/lens


There's a pretty clear expected transformation here though? It takes an image and then reduces the "shiny-ness" of it by giving it the same transformation: change the sky to overcast, add material degradation like rust, reduce the landscaping by adding weeds/puddles, and remove the happy looking people.

Also adding random electrical infrastructure and random signs, also removing a statue in the distance in one of the images

Sure, that stuff too. The point still being that it's a pretty predictable set of changes being made to whatever photo you give it.

Right, filtering is the reduction of information while diffusion/generation is creation.

It doesn't have to be a reduction. Swapping the colour channels would be a filter, but it's perfectly reversible.

How is it not just a midjourney prompt? The liberties it takes seem to be better described by 'upload a picture, and AI will be told to make it dingier'. Can't people already do that ad nauseam?

Au contraire, in a rather realistic way

What is it with people?

Is there some weird force dropping electrical enclosures on bridges (the cables on top even?) and random places in the street.

Those random protruding manholes next to two other drainage gates nowhere near a slope?

Why are these even the examples.

This is just like turning the HDR tone mapping up to 200%


It's not that bad actually. Over the years stuff like electrical installations, cables and random manholes often get retrofitted in an ugly way to existing architecture.

I was actually going to comment on the main post, how well tuned the AI seems with it's placement of random electrical wires and junction boxes that seem to match my impression of renderings-vs-reality.

I imagine, it could actually be useful for architects, to see how other people and environment will butcher their creation, so they could learn how to make it better with that in mind.

Edit: oh, it's right there at the bottom of the page!


Used it on some Fortnite screenshots, I'd play that depressing version!

https://files.catbox.moe/i8tfkl.jpg

https://files.catbox.moe/mw8vbc.jpg

Then I thought what would it make from an already dark and grim scene, like HL2 Ravenholm

https://files.catbox.moe/d7z77h.jpg

but nothing really? Just made the whole thing a different color scheme + changed some architecture


It's interesting that the video game style of the images is still preserved. I actually expected the outputs to look like real photographs for some reason.

Halfway to The Last of Us conversion for Fortnite

They stole the ravenholm sign

It really tied the place together.

Sandy Strip is a low rent strip club right? Based on the name and logo it can't be anything else... Anyhow, that looks like GTA to me.

Fallout!

That looks like a specific level in Left for Dead 2

Nice, it made it back into PUBG :)

I mean now they just look like early Fortnite!

Getting a 402 error payment required when I try to run this, I'm guessing all of the credits for the API account have been used up. Great idea though!

It's some Loveable app thing. Fun idea though

(Currently getting an error when I try it)

One think I wish is if I could get it halfway. I don't need it to look dreary, I just want it to look real instead of overly optimistic.


I do something similar with my Curation Engine outputs. Interesting to get photorealistic outputs on a GPU via language pathing instead of photons.

https://dev.zice.app/frame_syntheses


That's funny, the second example is the Peace Bridge in Calgary.

On a nice day the render actually looks close to the real thing!


I think the third is plaza de España in Madrid, Spain. I was actually wondering why it looked familiar.

Maybe a real picture of the actual bridge was in the training set? Similar to how prompting for a story about a boy wizard can result in verbatim Harry Potter passages.

I think they use their eyes to see the Peace Bridge and were saying it's fairly close to their experience. :D

And the real killer app of contact lens AR will be ... this in reverse.

It feels Snapchat already has beauty filters as standard. Or you can also spot the beauty filters glitching out all the girls dancing on Tiktok/IG, e.g. their eyelashes would be somewhere else for a split second...

Hah, like connected cars talking to each other, the AR goggles/lenses will talk to each other so each person can broadcast a unified beautifed version of their face to others.

Maybe the Grok AR goggles will have Grok features...


That's black mirror level content.

One of Jack Vance’s Dying Earth books features this as a whole chapter, the first of the Cugel books I believe. I don’t know of an earlier appearance of the concept.

Very “futurological congress” thought

Can we re-engineer LSD so the only effect we can get is how colors look 12 hours afterwards?

I am very curious if this app is making money or are users just using the two generators and then leaving? If so I am very impressed with your wrapper around the image gen models.

I can imagine the reverse model could be very profitable with every real estate agent using it to make dreary photos look great.

Reverse model aimed at estate agents already posted in this thread by someone: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46829566

this landing page is a lead gen tool for the architect at the bottom

Ahh, I see that. Thanks

This would be really useful if it came in a real estate photo version. Turn the photos that agents post back into the photos they took.

This does more than remove shine. It makes every building look like it's in the UK!

This would be useful if it actually did some reasoning about the effects of aging on different materials, consequences of certain design decisions, etc. It's not doing that at all, and so it's just misleading instead. If you actually built these things and took pictures years later it wouldn't look like this. Some things would look better and some would look worse. So you can't use this to make decisions about what to build.

No, it would look like this, just not exactly like this. Say, the fancy bridge example has some rust runoff but no obvious metal for it to come from. Other than that, the guess is quite believable, and certainly much more so than the render.

This was exhausting to read. Don’t you ever have fun?

I keep getting "Edge Function returned a non-2xx status code." Run out of tokens?

Same here. Disappointing. I wanted to run it on that picture of a church that looks like a chicken.

I wanted to run it on renders from the owner's website

It would be great if I can run this as a browser extension that works on Zillow and Redfin.

Excellent idea. So many modern buildings age so poorly. Maybe this will give some starchitecs a bit of a pause...

I am patiently waiting for LARP AR glasses that have all kinds of these filters.

Aha, make it drab, soviet, and raining filter. Peak hipster, I love it.

I like how it adds random electrical boxes everywhere.

And water meters too. And the rust on all the welds is chefs kiss.

And the trash cans

The rust stains in realistic locations on the bridge is very well done.

please take this down before architects find this forum

They still look great on a rainy November day. A nice cozy, quiet vibe.

Used it on the line. That got dark fast..

Wow. Umm, the "free generations" limit is running on a client-based honour system...

Nano Banana is indeed a powerful model :)

Okay now do it on character models so that they don't look like plastic dolls.

Looks beautiful tbh. I prefer the greyness

I did exactly the opposite with https://prontopic.com

thanks for helping people to lie

Geez, I'm reminded of a business student's idea of "Uber for photoshoppers" (this is ~20 years ago): you upload your picture, you say what you want changed, and I guess you pick which photoshopper's work looks convincing from a marketplace of them...

He had a website, and the sample pic is a girl lying on her back, and in the "after" picture she's wearing a bigger cup-size..


Works great. I hate it.

Just kidding. I bet you will do very well marketing it to estate agents and AirBnb renters. It's just the "prettification" of the world which gets to me. I hate Instagram for the same reason. Just grumpy me.

This is just a Nano Banana wrapper I imagine.

It's because of Autodesk BIM no?

British filter.

Ha this is great - I always thought this would be a brilliant application for AI.

does this work on people

The absolutely 100% leafless trees stretched my suspension of disbelief a bit. They look less like "end of fall/beginning of winter" and more like "dead".

Also, the model goes a bit overboard with the electrical appliances. I had to laugh at the bridge one.

Apart from that, it's a great idea!


That's like every new building I've seen around here. Developers plant trees directly into compacted soil and then they grow half a foot within 10 years and then die in a hot summer. The building owner then just leaves them in because it's easier than taking them out.

I have to say both the leafless trees and electrical box spawning is very on point for what you would find in eg Belgium. Check this full blown ugly building/container that spawned in the beautiful Liege Guillemins station https://maps.app.goo.gl/T1J7WwCCYDvBgJEc7

If they are young trees along the side of the road, generally they are broken off at the stump by a car before they can grow, and then you're left with an empty tree well.

Yeah, both are good additions - in moderation. I think the model just went into extremes with them.

Maybe.. or maybe you underestimate the insanities you can find in real life too (the model isnt that creative unfortunately). See here, 5 different no-parking signs for the same 2 spots: https://maps.app.goo.gl/S74r7eawH2vL24CX7

Good point...



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