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The 1745 example has another interesting usage: "it's" where we would write "its". When did this become improper? And could it be that all those endless typo "it's"es online nowadays are not part of a plot to drive me crazy after all, but rather the return of some older norm?


Once, everyone used "'tis" instead of "it's", so there was no danger of confusion with the possessive.

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That seems like a pretty good website; I'd never heard of it.

So "it's" vs. "its" is yet another johnny-come-lately arbitrary rule without historical basis. Yay, one less thing to get annoyed by.


I would suspect that there were some other rules for apostrophes some centuries ago, but maybe it's/its is some typo that has been in the English language for centuries?

While talking about the English language, does anyone know what happened to thou/thee/thy/thine/ye?


Thou/thee/thy/thine are singular forms, whereas you/ye/your are plural. Just as we and our became royal pronouns, where a monarch would emphasize that they spoke for a whole country by referring to themselves in the plural, it became popular for the upper and eventually middle classes to refer to each other as plural, as a more respectful or formal usage.

Quoting from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou):

"Following a process found in other Indo-European languages, thou was later used to express intimacy, familiarity, or even disrespect, while another pronoun, you, the oblique/objective form of ye, was used for formal circumstances"


Interesting - I've read that the common pronunciation where we use "Ye" pronounced as "Yee" is a mistake - it was always pronounced "The"

It's a vestige of how the Thorne transformed over the years - eventually it looked very similar a Y with a small "e" above it... leading to someone looking at an old document to assume it was just a Y.

We could be talking about two separate uses of the word though....


Just natural evolution of language saw them superseded by alternative words of the same meanings.

The same way in a short period of time words like "cool", "wicked", "fab. [abbrv.]" can rise and fall in cultural popularity, so can words like "thou" and "you".


Thou/thee/thy/thine are still alive in parts of England.




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