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> i completely dismiss scratch as an actual visual programming environment.

well put, couldn't agree more, I often use scratch as an anti example of diagrammatic programming.

visual programming has this topological aspect to it (move a box around and don't change the program), and it demands compatibility with this from the underlying thing, whatever it is, state machines or stream processing functions or whatever.

labview is a great example of a practical use of it, which some relatively minor, but critical modifications you can use it for so many more applications... maybe one day statebox can fill that gap, but we have a lot to do still



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